Bayonet charge

Kie has said that Melee combat is very much encouraged so long as people can be sensible!

Melee
Melee combat is positively encouraged but must be conducted in a safe manner. All edged weapons must be larp safe, blows must be pulled and head contact avoided. Silent kills are considered an instant KIA but melee blows are considered normal hits and can be mediced. Again as this is a small ammo event the aspect of melee combat will come to the fore a bit more.

It wouldn't be the eastern front without it so it'd be great to see this incorporated more...

better think about investing in a bayonet as well, the frog is looking rather empty on my belt order at the moment.

Bayonet charges are to be positively encouraged However its important that players 'get' the concept of this. There have been games in the past when the person on the recieving end has tried to grapple the rifle from the hands of the attacker as if they are some kind of ninja We do not want any 'real' hand to hand fighting for obvious reasons. Whenever I have been on the recieving end of a close combat charge, If I have not shot the charging player by the time they are within 5m of me I graciously let them stab or bash me with their rubber weapon and try to die in a fitting way so the charger has a lasting memory of his bravery (or stab them back if I have a rubber bayonet, but again not in a combative way).

Its important people get this concept so we shall include it in the safety breif

Cheers

Tim

Tim, completely with you on this. But even a bayonet charge must be a great sight everyone screaming Hurrraaaa!

Matt, sounds like we do a group buy of bayonets. My friend Muttoey and i will need one. Makes it three of us.

Personally I'd run away screaming like alittle girl

Might be an idea, tho I doubt I'd make the 30m

Tim, completely with you on this. But even a bayonet charge must be a great sight everyone screaming Hurrraaaa!

Agree with this, must make a very atmospheric moment! But being Gebirgsjaeger do we follow the "Hurra" with "Fur Deutschland" or "Die gams"?

Happy to go in for a group order on these, perhaps Warren will make us a deal? I know Mattywheels has asked Warren to put one aside for him at War and Peace also

Like Tim says, you need to be a bit cautious with H2H combat in airsoft as some people can get a bit carried away and a rifle butt in the teeth isn't really something anyone wants. I have also been at games where people think it is a good idea put put real bayonets on their rifles, something which every player in sight should instantly stamp on as we don't want anyone to get bayonetted to death.

I have generally restricted my rubber bayonet use in normal WW2 airsoft games to despatching the wounded apart from the one very specific instance of 'Pavlovs House' where we were all issued LARP type weapons.

I am sure it is something we can cover in the briefing, but otherwise Joshs approach of knife type kills being 'a gentle tap on the body' and nothing more should cover it.

Cheers
Martin

I agree that this kind of thing has to be carefully defined to avoid anything more aggressive than a gentle tap or prod. I'd personally opt for banning all non-Larpsafe bayonets/knives from the playing field to avoid any risk of confusion, though I suspect that is a standard rule in a game where melee is encouraged.
To be honest I'm amazed to hear anyone thinks it's a good idea to affix a real bayonet in any game even where melee is strictly prohibited, we do trip up and stumble and fall over on occassion in airsoft and sorry 'ain't going to cut it when you accidentally pigstick someone. I think we can all agree that kind of thing needs to be dealt with harshly.

nyone thinks it's a good idea to affix a real bayonet in any game even where melee is strictly prohibited

The vast majority of sites and games I have played at has a strict ban on any sort of edged weapon being waved around, many ban them completely, others rule that they have to stay strapped into sheaths. I think normally we rely on people being sensible, however some people are dickheads.

Cheers
Martin

I think there should be an equipment check before going into the field by COs/NCOs to ensure poeple are complying to the game rules. Would alos look good as in real world this would happen as well.

I dont want to stop people carrying real entrenching tools/bayonets in the game. They are cumbersome and heavy but for those that are prepared to wear them they add so much to the look.
I am confident that as long as the safety breif is crystal clear there will not be a problem. Real bayonets are to be kept secured in the frog at all times in game on pain of castration. Entrenching tools may be used to help dig in, prepare positions but must be returned to the holder afterwards and may not be waved at anyone, again on penalty of castration.

Think that should do it

Real bayonets are to be kept secured in the frog at all times in game on pain of castration. Entrenching tools may be used to help dig in, prepare positions but must be returned to the holder afterwards and may not be waved at anyone, again on penalty of castration.

Yes, that is fine. I don't want to discourage people from carrying heavy and useless bits of kit around, we just need to be clear in the briefing about what is allowed. Blades strapped up works fine, it is just that the safety aspects sometimes get forgotten in briefings as we assume everyone will be sensible.

Cheers
Martin